Tuesday, June 21, 2005

Negatrons past

Perhaps the negatrons have ineffectuated. I haven't posted in a while.

I was reading Ben's blog and came across the following humble quote in an old post:

The point is that creative agenda is often overlooked as a cause of unhappy play, not that differing creative agenda is always the cause of unhappy play.
For some reason I really liked that.

I really really really have to go back and read the Big Ron Essays sometime and get my head around them or not. I have a feeling I have some issues with the ideas behind the concept of "Narrativism" -- to wit, that in order to speak clearly about Narrativism one has to believe that we understand exactly why literature is literature -- what makes a good story a good story. My belief, as a former grad student in (admittedly ancient Greek and Latin) literature, was that the jury was still out on that point.

Oh, sure, you have individuals like Lajos Egri who have their ideas about what makes good literature good, but I didn't know that anybody considered it a closed issue. It's an open question what makes good literature good.

And if it's an open question, and we're using the answer to define one of the categories of our theory, where does that leave the theory?

Like I said, I don't know if I've ever made it through those essays so maybe this is not really relevant. I won't be able to intelligently frame it till I do more homework than maybe I am willing to. We'll see.


JasonL said...

Hey Ed:

Right there with ya on the definition of Narrativism. I have read all the essays and articles, and a fair amount of the posts on GNS.

Ergi had solid thoughts on this - but my English Lit scholarship tells me,IIRC that, for example, Burns was seen as nothing more than pandering to the common man. But, he's part of the cannon today.

Hard to say what's going to look like literature or Story from a future perspective.


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Ed said...

thanks man. :)

Ben said...

Oh boy.

The "it's just like a novel! it's just like literature!" aspect of the Narrativism description has got to be one of the single most annoying things about Forge culture to me.

Now, after a long time, I finally get what they are talking about and, if I squint real hard I can kinda see why they say that. It's still wrong.

I'm much happier with my "everyone around the table looks up, at the player, and thinks 'oh no, what's he gonna do now'" version. But I would be.