soundly situated in obscuritylandI'm not a regular Story Games poster so I'm going to indulge myself by spouting off here instead. The whole discussion is, if you want a diverting free-for-all, entertaining, and if you don't, tedious.
famous in inverse proportion to how cool I am
and should I ever garner triple-digit fans
you can tell me then there's someone I ain't indier than...
and if you're slow on the uptake, I'll lay it out
hipsterism is a religion to which you gotta be devout
must be seen as in between unpopular and hated
or else get excommunicated
My favorite replies were from Matt Snyder, Tony Lower-Basch, Judd Karlman, and Christopher Kubiasik. I liked what Andy K and some others had to say, but I thought they made the mistake of wasting too much time on the issue.
I guess bottom line the problem is the many meanings and connotations of the term "indie." It can mean...
- Creator-owned and controlled
- Non-traditionally distributed
- Created with a consciousness of GNS Theory
- Consciously Narrativist
- Created by people who post on the Forge
- Sold at the Forge Booth at GenCon
- Non-broken with respect to creative agendas
- Cool and hip
- Part of a special community of creative rebels
- Having a delicious Creme Filling
UPDATE: the thread continues apace, and with each post I read of it, I lose a few more brain cells. With a few exceptions, the authors of which don't need me to tell them they're exceptions.
I think this kind of thread is what forced Ron and Clinton to reorganize the Forge to try to minimize such wankery, the alternative being gnawing their own legs off.
UPDATE UPDATE: I almost posted the following to the thread, but stopped myself:
I'm wondering if Ron or others ever regret his choice of the domain name "indie-rpgs.com" -- cause I think if he'd gone for something uglier like "creator-owned-rpgs.com" such threads wouldn't exist.
As far as I'm concerned, the only meaning of "indie" which is relevant to the "indie rpgs" movement which stems from the Forge is "creator-owned," because that's what Ron meant by it, and Ron is the one who by his choice of domain names attached the word "indie" to the community.
If that's not what the word "indie" means to you, then fuck the word "indie." Don't use it.